Very good article, ive heard nothing but negative things from buisness owners about being forced to install these, after explaining how this system works to a few buisness owners, i heard them say, let it burn..blah blah. Which is the wrong answer from people with a big buisness investment.. but with them making such comments means they dont understand the knox box system, due to..if the buisness is burning the fire dept. Doesnt need a key to get in...great post chief kemmerly. I hope they ( the buisness owners) understand now
Ok. Under your scenario, you break down the door, enter the building, and solve the problem. Then what do you do? Do you just leave with the building/property unsecured and the broken door hanging open? In the real world, that's not an option. If you read the letter, this system is designed to make entry and exit easier and much more secure. Property owners aren't always 5 minutes away from their properties. With this system, the fire department can re-secure/lock the building and leave after the problem is fixed without having to wait around for property owners to arrive and secure their own building. It's go nothing to do with bureaucracy. It's got everything to do with logic and security.
Please tell me you are kidding.....If you aren't kidding, I feel sorry for the broken windows and broken doors you will have to pay for in the event of a fire. Of course, you probably aren't a business owner.
The difference is "business owner", that YOU won't have to buy a new door, window, etc. So, while I realize time is money, the loss of time for either you or the volunteer is better than loss of time PLUS loss of material PLUS the additional time as you wait for a new door, window, wall etc.
THIS IS MORE IDEAS THAT COME IN WITH THE OUT OF TOWN CODE INSPECTORS , they couldn't work for there own town so they came to ours , bring ideas from there town ,maybe not suitable for ours ,but they say they would NOT live in our town but take our money. GO HOME TO YOUR TOWN AND LEAVE OUR TOWN AND MONEY HERE.
With all do respect - if a good business owner invests the money it costs to buy a knock box in to his own business he can turn that money over and over and the profit will by far out weigh the cost to repair a door, if there even is a fire. Maybe it is not fair to assume that every business owner can afford to have door protection on top of the cost of insurance which would also pay for the door.
Typically a commercial door, commercial glass, commercial lock to repair/replace would cost more than the Knox box. Let alone all the other benefits. Sooner or later your insurance will increase to cover forced doors or maybe be denied if learn that you don't follow local laws.
Yes I am not local, but many of the reasons against these are not from experience with them either. I currently have 38 years as a firefighter, only time owner beat me to scene was they tripped the alarm by being on site. Unknown any more how many times owner just didn't respond.
Yes like anything they could be broken into given time. However over 15 years haven't had that happen locally. It is a reinforced metal box for this reason, the price.
Recently had a fire in apartment complex that had a knox box because they had an alarm system, (a slight difference in our local ordinance. Anyone can get one many do even when not required.) This gave us access to a master key and entry to all effected units to check for extension damage and help prevent further damage. Thus not a door forced.
They work and they save money. Also had a business that doesn't like the idea or doesn't support it, hence we have had to force doors to prevent further damage several times now.
Very good article, ive heard nothing but negative things from buisness owners about being forced to install these, after explaining how this system works to a few buisness owners, i heard them say, let it burn..blah blah. Which is the wrong answer from people with a big buisness investment.. but with them making such comments means they dont understand the knox box system, due to..if the buisness is burning the fire dept. Doesnt need a key to get in...great post chief kemmerly. I hope they ( the buisness owners) understand now
ReplyDeleteNow, come on! Why did you go an provide factual context to this? You know complaining is now a sport in Columbia! You're ruining the fun!
ReplyDeleteWell said, Chief Kemmerly.
ReplyDeletethey are cheaper on Amazon
ReplyDeleteWhy require a Knox Box when it is just as easy to break down the door ? Seems like more bureaucracy
ReplyDeleteOk. Under your scenario, you break down the door, enter the building, and solve the problem. Then what do you do? Do you just leave with the building/property unsecured and the broken door hanging open? In the real world, that's not an option. If you read the letter, this system is designed to make entry and exit easier and much more secure. Property owners aren't always 5 minutes away from their properties. With this system, the fire department can re-secure/lock the building and leave after the problem is fixed without having to wait around for property owners to arrive and secure their own building. It's go nothing to do with bureaucracy. It's got everything to do with logic and security.
DeletePlease tell me you are kidding.....If you aren't kidding, I feel sorry for the broken windows and broken doors you will have to pay for in the event of a fire. Of course, you probably aren't a business owner.
DeleteI am a business owner what is the difference if they have a key or break my door
Deletethey still have to wait around until i get there anyway
The difference is "business owner", that YOU won't have to buy a new door, window, etc. So, while I realize time is money, the loss of time for either you or the volunteer is better than loss of time PLUS loss of material PLUS the additional time as you wait for a new door, window, wall etc.
DeleteTHIS IS MORE IDEAS THAT COME IN WITH THE OUT OF TOWN CODE INSPECTORS , they couldn't work for there own town so they came to ours , bring ideas from there town ,maybe not suitable for ours ,but they say they would NOT live in our town but take our money. GO HOME TO YOUR TOWN AND LEAVE OUR TOWN AND MONEY HERE.
DeleteI agree
ReplyDeleteSpoken like someone who is not and will not ever be a business owner!!
DeleteWith all do respect - if a good business owner invests the money it costs to buy a knock box in to his own business he can turn that money over and over and the profit will by far out weigh the cost to repair a door, if there even is a fire. Maybe it is not fair to assume that every business owner can afford to have door protection on top of the cost of insurance which would also pay for the door.
ReplyDeleteChief's letter is well written - it is a good point that the fire men deserve to have the convenience of a key
ReplyDeleteDoes that mean the police deserve to have a key to every home????
DeleteI just don't understand why they have to cost $350 for a little metal box with a master key !
ReplyDeleteTypically a commercial door, commercial glass, commercial lock to repair/replace would cost more than the Knox box. Let alone all the other benefits. Sooner or later your insurance will increase to cover forced doors or maybe be denied if learn that you don't follow local laws.
ReplyDeleteYes I am not local, but many of the reasons against these are not from experience with them either. I currently have 38 years as a firefighter, only time owner beat me to scene was they tripped the alarm by being on site. Unknown any more how many times owner just didn't respond.
Yes like anything they could be broken into given time. However over 15 years haven't had that happen locally. It is a reinforced metal box for this reason, the price.
Recently had a fire in apartment complex that had a knox box because they had an alarm system, (a slight difference in our local ordinance. Anyone can get one many do even when not required.) This gave us access to a master key and entry to all effected units to check for extension damage and help prevent further damage. Thus not a door forced.
They work and they save money. Also had a business that doesn't like the idea or doesn't support it, hence we have had to force doors to prevent further damage several times now.